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Dec27
What's Noka Chocolates Worth?

I just happened to see a post in Boing Boing tonight about Noka Chocolates being the most expensive in the world and ended up reading a 10 part series in DallasFood.org that says they're not worth it.

Hmm... I wonder if my Nooka watch and Noka Chocolate are related somehow....nah!

Just jump to part 10 of the series:

"...In conclusion, we return to the original question. Are Noka's chocolates worth the prices they charge?


They are not.

Noka's prices cannot be justified by the underlying ingredients. Bonnat is good chocolate that can warrant a premium, but not a markup of more than 1,300% of retail (as discussed in Part 9).

1,300% of retail. Think about that for a second. If you bought a gallon of milk with that markup, it would cost you more than forty bucks. If you bought a Honda Civic with that markup, it would cost you more than $200,000 (or over $300,000 if you opted for the Hybrid).

Lunacy."

I'd have liked to try a couple of pieces of Noka Chocolate, just the same.  Part 10 of the Dallasfood.org article on Noka Chocolate gives you some less expensive alternatives.....

".....As a bit of an epilogue, I'll offer a few alternatives to Noka, for those who may be interested in tasting top quality single-origin chocolates (as good as or better than what Noka uses) at much lower prices.

Amedei. A small Italian company run by chocolate-geek agronomists, Amedei controls the processing from the point of harvest, including the drying and fermentation of the beans. For $37.95 at Chocosphere, you can buy an elegantly packaged 36-piece sampler of Amedei single-origin chocolates from Grenada, Madagascar, Jamaica, Trinidad, Ecuador, and Venezuela. At close to $100 a pound, Amedei makes the most expensive chocolate I sampled for these reports (excluding Noka, of course, since they don't actually make chocolate). Amedei's Chuao and Porcelana bars are also highly recommended.

Domori. The company's motto is "Cacao Cult" and, after skimming their web site, you'll see how appropriate that is. These guys are hardcore, controlling cultivation and processing every step of the way, and even working with a gene bank in Trinidad to revive lost Criollo cacao strains. For gift/presentation purposes, the Hacienda San Jose box is the way to go. At $97.50 from Chocosphere, you get a little over a pound of premium Criollo chocolates (from various sub-clones) ranging from 60% to 100% cacao solids, along with a booklet and DVD on the history and cultivation of Domori's Criollo cacao. (Are you listening, Santa?)

Pralus. For $47.95 from Chocosphere, the fine French chocolatier Pralus offers its "Pyramide"--a stack of ten individually wrapped 50 gram single-origin bars from Jamaica, Indonesia, São Tomé, Trinidad, Venezuela, Vanuatu, Ghana, Madagascar, Columbia, and Ecuador. For stocking stuffers, you can get the "Mini-Pyramide," which is the same thing, but with 5 gram squares, for a mere $8.95.

Michel Cluizel. For $19.50 from Chocosphere, you can get French maker Michel Cluizel's Les 1ers Crus de Plantation box, with individually wrapped squares of five plantation-specific chocolates. Also interesting as a gift (if you're willing to get away from single-origin) would be Cluizel's "Once Upon a Bean" presentation box for $33.95, which includes unroasted beans, roasted cacao nibs, cocoa butter, cacao liquor, and discs of chocolate in five grades of intensity, from "white chocolate" to 100%.

Valrhona. $49.95 at Chocosphere will buy you two of each of well-known French maker Valrhona's 2006 plantation bars in a wooden case. $146 will get you 40 bars of Valrhona's 2002 Chuao in a wooden case. (Amedei now has a virtual lock on Chuao production, which would make this an interesting gift for a knowledgeable chocophile.)

El Rey. $79.95 at Chocosphere will get you Venezuelan chocolate maker El Rey's La Ruta del Cacao presentation box, with nearly a pound of chocolate from four bean varieties in a wooden case.

Bonnat. Though Bonnat has a couple of presentation box products available in Europe, I've only seen the individual single-origin bars here in the US. Chocosphere sells them for $7.50 per 100-gram bar. As you now know, that's much, much cheaper than what you'd pay Noka for less of the same chocolate. However, buying the Bonnat bars would require getting by without the Taiwanese metal box. If you or your gift recipient are rich, stupid, and vain, Noka is probably the way to go."

Now....if I could just get some good red wine to go with the Noka chocolates (ok, maybe we'll go with the Bonnat instead....can't afford 1700.00 USD for a pound of NOkA chocolate.  I guess someone could afford it (or NOKA would be out of business by now).

 

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I read the series too and have to say that it seemed like a stretch. The author set out to expose NOKA, but determined through an exhaustive process that their chocolate is indeed a very high quality, very pure single-source chocolate. He feels confident that he identifies the true source of their couverture, but presents no evidence -- other than a hunch -- to counter NOKA's claim that the chocolate is made to their exacting specifications. Is it expensive? Yeah, but people buy $200 t-shirts with holes in them and $16,000 Hermes bags at Neiman's too. Are THEY worth it? Worth is completely in the mind of the individual. I also wish the author identified him/herself so we would know for sure that this wasn't a hatchet job by a competitor.

i don't know the author's full name, but his first is Scott, and his user profile at Chowhound is here. This is enough info to prove to me it's not a hatchet job.

What Noka is doing, is being deliberately misleading about information, that if widely known, would undermine their justification for charging such exorbitant prices. I know that if I buy a Hermes purse for thousands of dollars, that there's a certain amount of luxury that I am buying, that is not replicated many other places. If I buy Noka chocolates, I may as well buy my own Bonnat chocolate, melt it down and put it in a mould. THAT is the information NoKa is hiding, that makes their product worth far less than they claim.

Dan,

"Scott" has been a regular on Chowhound and other online food forums for many years. He's been writing about food in Dallas on the DallasFood blog since *before* Noka opened for business. You might not know him from Adam. But a lot of online foodies have known him for a long time. Rather than insinuating that he's a competitor, why don't you show what, if anything, he got wrong in the story?

The reports show that Noka has manipulated the media to create the false impression that Noka makes its own chocolate when they do not.

The reports show that Noka's prices are many times higher than those of any chocolatier or chocolate maker in the market.

The reports show (in too *much* detail, I think) that Bonnat is the only chocolate maker with single-origin chocolates that match what Noka is using. They also show that Bonnat is a fraction of the cost.

The reports show that, unlike the 20+ prominent chocolatiers he called (including several celebrities, with television programs, cook books, awards, etc.), Noka was the only chocolatier that *refuses* to say who is providing their chocolate.

The reports show that Noka isn't willing to answer serious questions about their chocolate. Added to that, I know some people who were former customers that sent emails to Noka since the story got out to try to get some kind of response and have heard nothing back. They'll probably be asking for refunds if Noka doesn't come up with a good explanation.

What you're saying is that Noka's response should be, "There's a sucker born every minute"? If that's all they can say, then they're making the right decision in keeping quiet.

Maybe some people are suckers who are willing to pay way too much for things. But that doesn't give Noka a "get out of jail free" card for pulling the wool over people's eyes.

Sam

Looks like Dan here is with a PR firm working on Noka's behalf:
http://tinyurl.com/y9z4u6

What does it say about Noka when, rather than coming clean when called on their BS, they pay someone to go out on the blogs to try to hide the truth?

Sad.

Sam

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This is complicated, but the bottom line is as I write this comment I am engaged as a PR person representing NOKA. The original comments were written prior to that and reflected my personal opinion. However, facts are facts and that makes it worthy of an update. So as Kirk Brewer suggested in a post on my site (www.dpkpr.com), I am posting this update. Thanks to Kirk and others for their constructive feedback. As others have noted, NOKA has issued a statement regarding the issues raised by Dallas Food and we are in the process of getting that out. Since my personal opinions are no longer relevant, I won't be reposting.

As others have noted, NOKA has issued a statement regarding the issues raised by Dallas Food and we are in the process of getting that out.

Yes, their statement consists of...yes...we are full of crap...buy our super-expensive chocolate so you can say you bought our super-expensive chocolate. As a Dallasite, I can't wait until I show up at a posh party, see this stuff being passed around, and laugh at the fools who got took.

I also wish the author identified him/herself so we would know for sure that this wasn't a hatchet job by a competitor.

Says the PR flack who has been posting hatchet blurbs against the author of the article....while not identifying himself until exposed.

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