I'm not sure this is really a final wrap up post on Emetrics Marketing Optimization Summit that just took place this week in San Francisco's Palace Hotel, or not, but I did want to take the time to write more than I have, so far, because I was just so busy and then Jet Lagged, I could not post much while I was actually at the Summit.
First, I want to say Thank You to Jim Sterne for inviting me to attend as Press, and while I wasn't posting much - I was apparently Tweeting up a storm, according to Clint Ivy over at Instant Cognition who wrote a post on eMetrics Twitter Backchannel Analysis - Clint set up a backend channel for Twitter Tweets using #emetrics and you can see the whole "theme" over at www.Twenmes.com/emetrics
There’s quite a large gap between Bob and the second rated TwIt - June Dershewitz who contributed 11.1% (23) of all Tweets. June was followed closely by Marshall Sponder at 10.1% (21).

This chart shows the incremental contribution - on a percentage basis - of each Twitterer who participated during eMetrics. Note that I have removed myself ("Omomyid") from the data as I was the host and my behavior could be considered to skew the data.
I came in #3 in the list, but could have easily been #1 had I put in more content - I was simply too busy talking with people - and while I attended a few sessions, I didn't attend that many - as soon as I walked down the hall of the Palace Hotel, someone would grab me and it would entail another long conversation - not that I'm against that - in fact, I believe if your talking to someone and the conversation is good - all else being equil, go with it - I'm meant to be where I am meant to be.
However, as soon as I got to the Palace Hotel on Sunday, May 4th, I got pulled into lunch with Richard Foley, the outgoing WAA President - that was fun, and a lot of walking, I might say - after which, I passed on the rest of the Industry Insights Day sessions going on Sunday.
I spoke, however, at the Audienc
e Measurement Panel on Sunday night
Web Analytics Association (WAA) Community Meeting and Panel Discussion
The Role of the Web Marketer and Analyst versus
How We Use Online Advertising Tools and Audience Measurement Data
Gold Ballroom (Open to all Attendees)
I really can't remember what others on the panel said but I know what I said - that a "unique visitor" can be likened to "water" in it's 3 states -
- Gasous (Panel Data) Myst
- Liquid (Ad Server Data) Water (ads)
- Solid (Web Analytics Data) Ice (Data)
I did a drawing, sorta a sketch of an idea I hope to do paintings of later - if only I could crystalize how I'd do it (I can see it in my mind, though - just don't quite have the right motif yet); I showed my sketch to Alex Langshur, who's now on the Board of Directors of the WAA (as am I) and he said my image represented the Eutectic Point where Gas, Liquid and Solid all meet and co-exist. According to Wikipedia:
A eutectic or eutectic mixture is a mixture at such proportions that the melting point is as low as possible, and that furthermore all the constituents crystallize simultaneously at this temperature from molten liquid solution. Such a simultaneous crystallization of a eutectic mixture is known as a eutectic reaction, the temperature at which it takes place is the eutectic temperature, and the composition and temperature at which it takes place is called the eutectic point.
The term comes from the Greek eutektos, meaning 'easily melted.'
But, I think, the real Eutectic Point is the Web Analyst, his or her self.
Monday night I took my Social Media Committee out for Dinner (I tried to round up as many as I could - and ended up with around 9 or 10 attendees).
We went to a nearby Thai Resturant and the food was really, really good - Thanks @jdersh for the suggestion.
You can follow alot of what I did at Emetrics by going to the http://twemes.com/emetrics page and on Tuesday night, a very big Web Analytics Wednesday on Tuesday was held at a nearby club which @jdersh posted some photos of in Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=34186&id=681741454&l=4d128
Also, on Tuesday, I did a long interview with Shahar Nechmad, the CEO of NuConomy and posted the entire video at Nuconomy.
While I was trying to get something done, besides talking to people, I remembered that on Wednesday morning I set up an interview with Todd Parsons of Buzzlogic.com - I quickly threw myself together - not really being prepared for much - I had a wonderful time talking with Todd Parsons and made a set of videos that you can view at Buzzlogic.
One of the things that struck me about Buzzlogic is that it's focused on influential bloggers and influential blogs - but I wonder if it's targeting influential posts -and I'll follow up with Todd on that, because I suspect the level we really need to focus on is the blog post, itself. As you mi
ght have noticed, if you watched the entire video, a few new developments will be coming from Buzzlogic.com soon.
And Todd, thanks for the Breakfast.
So what happened next? Well, after the conference ended late on Wednesday, May 7th, there was a dinner for the Board of Directors of the WAA, and we went to a resturant called "Two" nearby.
On Thursday, we had our Board Meeting and later, I spent an afternoon in Berkeley, which I posted about and took video of on ArtNewYorkCity.com - Art and Life in Berkeley, California. Next, I went back to San Francisco for a dinner with Gary and Grace Angel and their two lovely daughters, along with June Dershewitz, who's now also on the Board of Directors of the WAA. Among other things, we discussed Semphonic XChange Conference that I'll be attending in a few months in SF.
After a wonderful dinner, June and I took A Walk in a Park at Night in San Francisco to look at Art in the Park at night (was fun, and I needed a walk) - and you can see my video of part of our Golden Gate Park night walk on my ArtNewYorkCity.com blog.
Finally, on Friday morning, I did an early morning interview with BullDog Solutions - Tim Wilson is one of my SMC committee members and about 25 BullDog employees listened to my presentation, hastily given but hartly lived, of how I got into Web Analytics after 9/11. Somehow, I managed to pull it off, even with little sleep or preperation.
As soon as I was done I had to run over to Military.com and meet several employees of Military.com and Affinity Labs as part of the Monster Worldwide part of this trip - and I was taken to lunch by Breanna Wigle, who is a senior marketing analyst at Military.com and one of the newest members of my Social Media Committee of the WAA.
Shell shocked and amost empty from a whole week of continous partying and speaking - I took the rest of Friday afternoon to be with myself in San Francisco and go over to the SF MOMA Museum - you can read about it over at ArtNewYorkCity.com along with several skeches and local color that I left out here.
Portrait Drawings at Emetrics Summit in San Francisco has a few sketches I did of people who I saw while at Emetrics Marketing Optimization Summit - but not everyone was of the conference, as I had a friend, sflady, who I drew twice (but not always well).
Also, I drew Melissa (I have to admit, I lost her card, but I'm sure I'll get the email address soon)
Not to be outdone, Mike Grehan bought us a bottle of Dom Pérignon and charged to Anton over at Acronym Media - that was fun and I posted about it at San Francisco Drawings connected with Emetrics Marketing Optimization Summit
Of course, there’s the bottle of Dom Pérignon Mike Grehan bought for a few of us (I think, mainly me) to celebrate something - at 300 dollars a bottle - I felt honored and at 50 bucks as glass I was feeling as high as kite but then I thought … I should draw this bottle of Dom Pérignon and as soon as I thought that …… Mike Grehan says to me … why don’t you draw the bottle of Dom Pérignon … so here it is:

I also did a drawing in the Pied Piper Bar right after this drawing of Dom Perignon

Here’s another drawing I did outside of the SF MOMA museum on Friday, shortly before leaving for the airport to go back to NYC:

I was trying to find an Art Gallery or meetup with a friend on Friday evening - but nothing materialized so I just went back to the Airport, checked in, had dinner and worked a little.
And then I got into a very packed flight and ended up in NYC and back in Brooklyn, Saturday morning, early.
I left out a couple of things - but that's mostly what happened. Also, what I learned at Emetrics was this: Web Analytics is evolving into optimization of an entire experience, not just one thing. It'll be interesting to see where this all goes in the next year or two.
A conversation I had with Marshall Sponder triggered this post. Marshall was bemoaning the fact that web analysts can't even get "a seat at the table" (i.e. serious consideration) within many companies. To me this was a statement of the obvious.
Tim Ash goes on to tell my story - but with suggestions on what to do - not sure if he's speaking to me or to others - but it's worth considering - but that's grist for another post or two and this one is way, way too long as it is.
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I was at this event (though Eric for got to mention it in the post) Web Analytics Wednesday San Francisco Metrics and KPIs which Eric Peterson posted on Web Analytics Demystfied- and had no idea the WAW drew as many people as it did or cost as much as it did.
I didn't end up staying that long - but it was fun hanging out with everyone - it was a very crowded Web Analytics Wednesday (which was actually on a Tuesday) and I thought, overall, the WAW's have been getting better in terms of both content and attendance.
I also found Emetrics Marketing Optimization summit very intense and packed with information and meeting this week - and now it's time to take a break and get ready for the next one (meeting, that is).
By the way, I've been invited to attend the Social Media Roundtable in Toronto on May 20th - and I'm going to try to attend (Pro PR’s Joe Thornley on the Toronto Social Media Scene, Measurement).
Here's a video that explains what the Roundtable is … and why it would be valuable to attend.
Posted by Marshall on May 07, 2008 |
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I've been San Francisco since last Sunday and my days are full - it's hard to post anything because I'm spending most of my time talking to other people attending Emetrics.
However, I hosted a dinner last night for the Social Media Committee that I direct at the Web Analytics Association - only a few members were present (have over 70 members); but, we had a great time - he's some footage from the dinner:
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I meant to post this earlier - just incase some of my readers are in San Francisco next weekend (and attending Emetrics Summit is not actually required for all of what's listed below) - here's some information you might want to keep track of.
I'll be on the 4:30PM - 6:00PM Panel, by the way:
WAA Panel: Web Analytics vs. Audience Measurement & the WAA's Raucous Caucus Reception
Dear WAA Members:
Looking for a rowdy good time of extraordinary measure?
Join fellow members and web analytics professionals from around the world for the Panel Discussion, followed by WAA’s fun-filled Raucous Caucus and Networking Reception. Learn more about:
- Panel Discussion: The Role of the Web Marketer and Analyst versus How We Use Online Advertising Tools and Audience Measurement Data
- WAA’s vision for the future and the exciting opportunities coming in the year ahead
- How you can benefit more from your WAA membership
- Opportunities to get involved and make an impact in this dynamic industry
When: Sunday, May 4
(Immediately following the WAA Base Camp and the evening prior to the eMetrics Marketing Optimization Summit)
Where: Palace Hotel, Gold Ballroom
2 New Montgomery Street
San Francisco, CA
Time 4:30 - 6:00 pm, WAA Panel: Web Analytics vs. Audience Measurement
6:00 - 7:30 pm, Raucous Caucus Reception
Posted by Marshall on May 13, 2007 |
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I had dinner with Gary Angel, his wife and daughters before returning to NYC Friday morning, and Gary also drove me to airport - and we discussed Emetrics on the way over to catch my plane.
I left Gary with a thought about a problem I'm seeing with large sites that replicate their structure across several countries - what I've found is that countries like China, Japan, Korea, India, have very different needs, from a task based navigation standpoint, than G9 (US and Europe, mostly). I wanted to know how Gary would solve that problem (if it's a problem at all). The large savings in replicating task based navigation may be cut down by the lack of applicability to the local country audience and their needs. If anyone can figure out the right approach to this problem, Gary Angel can. And then I got on the my Jet Blue flight back to NYC and slept the whole way - but it took me till tonight to recover fully from the activity this week generated - which engaged all my energy on many levels.
Gary wrote up his own impression of Emetrics here.
Referring to the combining of Functionalism (Gary came up with this system) and Persuasion Architecture (Bryan and Jeffrey Eisenberg) Gary had this to say:
"….I’d love to see the two approaches seriously combined – with Functionalism providing a measurement overlay and the Persuasion Architecture providing a creative overlay on the same site. It seems to me that combining the two would be deeply interesting and truly state of the art in the world of web analytics and marketing!"
I was impressed with Functionalism and having seen Persuasion Architecture over at Future Now offices in Brooklyn, recently, I think they could both be merged.
Earlier this week Gary blogged on Emetrics while it was still going on:
"..What’s the biggest news out of eMetrics? Is it the new version of Google Analytics or the fact that Eric Peterson is striking out on his own and setting up a strategic web analytics consultancy? For once, I’ll agree with Avinash’s 90/10 rule and pick the people side of the equation."
But here's the gem - the thing I relate most to:
"…Frankly, I prefer to keep our focus on being the best in world at deep-dive analysis. What makes a great analyst isn’t what makes a great process consultant."
Gary Angel brought up a point that was frank and bold about Peterson's announcement:
"..Honestly, when I heard the news from Eric, my biggest reaction was "Damn – why don’t you come work with us!" Sadly, I couldn’t talk him into it. I wish he had, and I hope we get a chance to work together going forward! Because while companies need expertise like ours, I’m realistic enough to know that they sometimes need other things as well. Frankly, I prefer to keep our focus on being the best in world at deep-dive analysis. What makes a great analyst isn’t what makes a great process consultant.
So is Eric competition to Semphonic? In a way he certainly is. But this is a big space with lots of room and lots of different needs and not anybody who’s really all that big. I think Eric has been and will be good for this space. Making it easier for companies to understand and use the value that only companies like Semphonic can deliver will help, not harm us. Does a rising tide really raise every boat? I suppose it might make it too rough for some. But if we do our job well, then I think having Eric driving businesses to be more serious and more committed to web analytics process will be all to the good. "
It's an open question how many analysts can go out and be independent consultants - like Avinash just did. However, Avinash, while he did strike out on his own - has an office in the GooglePlex (wish he invited me over there to take a look). I think Eric Peterson, because of his name, writings and industry connections, will be sought after. But I'm not so sure that this path is right for everyone in the field. Avinash and Eric are very well known, that's partly why it works … at least, that's my opinion.
Finally, Gary blogged about the Google Analytics announcement - the interface update was kinda expected, and needed:
"…Not that Google’s release isn’t pretty big news. If Google was any other vendor, a release like this wouldn’t cause a ripple. But it’s Google and it’s free. And the growing threat of free software at the lower end of the market puts enormous pressure on the mid-range solutions and at least some pressure on the high-end solutions. Till now, I really wouldn’t have recommended GA to any company that actually wanted web analytics (as opposed to traffic reporting – in fact, I wouldn’t have recommended it even if you wanted convenient traffic reporting). The tool was basically unusable for serious work. Has that changed? To be honest, I don’t really know. Once we get a chance to work with it a bit I’ll have a better opinion. They certainly addressed some of the biggest weaknesses in the product – which can only be bad news for all the other vendors. Unless somebody can really trump GA in terms of usability, it’s beginning to look like there are only two options for vendors – play at the high end of the market or die."
I don't think it's changed, Gary. Google Analytics is a great, free tool, but for serious work on large sites, it doesn't cut it and probably never will. The main limitation of GA is the inability to compare more than one thing to another - whereas higher end analytics does give you the ability to make custom segmentation.
However, 99% of sites don't need custom segmentation - and that's the audience Google Analytics is for.
I suppose it does not hurt to bring up Eric Peterson's study again, and say that many companies, who are not process oriented, will fall on free tools and end up with ad-hoc reports that don't really move the business forward … and very often, what these companies will use is Google Analytics - because it's free and it's powerful - if you don't need custom segmentation.
At the end of the day, Google Analytics is best used in conjunction with more powerful analytics platforms - and I have heard this - which are based to costs per pageview - Google Analytics can cut down the cost for ownership by collecting some metrics that are not dependant on segmentation which is a win-win for everyone.
Posted by Marshall on May 13, 2007 |
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This is my first post to synthesize the information I listened to or read about at Emetrics Summit, earlier this week in San Francisco:
I sat in on Alex Langshur's session - Measuring ROI when you don't sell on May 7th, and noticed a lot of the analysis was based on datamining site search query logs (which I've done at IBM and for my own clients, outside IBM). The presentation is not online yet but there's other case studies on Langshur's site.
For example - Analyzing Intent (aka alignment of intent) is Search Analytics where you can compare keywords by category over time to see what went up / down, as well as seasonal variations.
However, Rich Wiggins and Lou Rosenfeld presented Listening to the Search Box: Search Analytics in a Nutshell, pretty much at the same time Langshur was presenting (in another suite). and the content of both presentations overlapped, judging from the copies I have in the Emetrics Presentation Handbook. Rosenfeld noted, and I have noted the same in my own experience, that:
- ~45% of search referral (from Search Engines) are variants of a company's name. This is certainly true of Branded businesses, like the Architects I have dealt with, including the one Architect client I still have, www.Mascord.com.
- There's a lot of Long Tail data in local search queries
Rosenfeld suggested that you data-mine search query logs and map much of your long tail data to popular pages in your site that you think go with the query. The problem with that … you need special tools to do it as the massive amount of long tail data makes doing this manually way too tedious for humans to do (and be sane for long) - I'm talking about massive amounts of queries where there are only one or two searches internally on that phase - and it's unique - meaning only one person executed that search.
Both presentations mirror what I heard at Search Engine Strategies last month, in NYC, where I spoke with someone who data-mines Search Query Logs to determine intent of Searchers and if the content of a site matches what people are searching for - and if not, changing or improving content in specific ways to increase customer satisfaction.
As Rosenfeld pointed out - there's often little time and few useful tools to parse Search Query Logs in order to generate reports - and that the work of analysis is both hard and often boring (because the right tools have not been developed - I firmly believe that).
My takeaway from both sessions (even though I only attended one of them - I have the material from both and familiarity with the subject) is that Site Search query logs don't get the attention they deserve in any of the organizations I have worked with and most companies don't realistically know what to do with the information - even if they were able to data-mine it, segment it, and match up the relevant pages.
I'd even go so far as to suggest vendor solutions that learn and match up the right pages (or create content on the fly out of XML data) over trying to manually determine what the right content on your site is for a query that was unique and executed one time for someone's specific need at the Long Tail.
In other words, for a large site, I think you'd need an automated tool with some human oversight - but doing it manually is almost unthinkable - based on the sheer volume of data that needs to be analyzed and remapped to the right pages.
Posted by Marshall on May 11, 2007 |
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I'm having some feedback from the last Emetrics Summit in San Francisco that I just returned from. I was really resting today as I flew all night and needed to rest and process the information. Here's one of the first nuggets of information and feedback - but I'm sure that I'll have many more over the next week or two.
OK, I attended Wednesday's Ask The Guru Breakfast and asked a question about tracking multichannel marketing and the feedback I got was to stick with what we could measure; some of the things I want to track are not yet track able.
True, but that's changing even as I write this - so maybe we'll be able to track across marketing channels - including offline channels, like billboards, more and more. According to AzCentral.com:
"…..Roel Vertegaal's Xuuk eyebox2 is a $999 portable device with a camera that monitors eye movements and automatically detects when you are looking at it from up to about 35 feet away. Until now, Vertegaal says, such eye-trackers have been ineffective beyond 2 feet, required people to remain stationary and cost more than $25,000.
"It can track interest for your advertisers so you can actually have a business model where you sell the ad by the eyeball," said Vertegaal, a professor at Queens University in Kingston, Ontario.
The eyebox2 comes as ads increasingly appear on plasma display panels in shopping malls, restaurants and other public places. Although Internet ads can be measured by the number of hits on a Web site, it is much harder to assess the ads on plasma screens.
Vertegaal, who has been working on the technology since 1994, says advertisers can now accurately measure how much attention something receives, whether on a plasma panel, a billboard, or as the result of its placement on a supermarket shelf.
Whether a viewer actually makes a purchase is another matter.
Vertegaal said the eyebox2 is being used by advertisers in Britain, but not in the United States yet."
Well, here's the question I asked at the Guru Breakfast:
Last Year, I posed a challenge to the Web Analytics Community how can I measure the effect of marketing on the conversion rate of people attending movies. Here's a brief description of one movie I saw and how I got convinced to go buy a ticket and watch the movie.
"… I see the trailer (of the movie) twice - but otherwise unaffected. Then I see a billboard sign several days later and become aware of the movie. I also see the banner ad on my laptop several times - and now I may actually see the movie simply as an example of the effect of Multi Channel Marketing. "
How much weight should be given to each event that leads to the conversion - and would the conversion have happened if I had not been exposed to all the events I mentioned in my blog post? Would the order of the events have made any difference?
Using Xuuk eyebox2 it may now be possible to count eyeballs on a sign. While I don't think it would work with me seeing a billboard while in a speeding car or bus several feet away - Xuuk eyebox2 could work in a lot of other situations.
What I think is missing is creating a "session" that caries over several incidents of seeing marketing across different channels and attributing it to the same individual (seeing the ads); right now there's no easy way to do that. Still, more and more is possible and it's not too much to say that in 5 or 10 years (maybe less), we'll be able to measure a campaign well across several channels, even one's like billboards, that we have not been able to do much with (maybe, just estimate number of eyeballs); the Xuuk eyebox2 can count eyeballs.
It will be interesting to ask my question again, in a year or two, and see what kind of reply I get back. On Wednesday, none of the Gurus even wanted to go there, answer my question - maybe that won't be as true the next time I ask it.
Posted by Marshall on May 10, 2007 |
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Just to show you how packed with influentials - while I was at the Emetrics Summit in San Francisco was this week, I mentioned to someone, in passing, about webmetricsguru.com's rankings in Google for Spiderman 3, and the woman at Sony Pictures, Rachel Scotto, who does the Web Analytics for Sony Pictures, overheard me and asked me about the details.
Yesterday, my blog was ranked #11 for "spiderman 3" on Google, out of 89,500,000 pages with that term in it; today it's at #19 but rankings will vary from time of day as the index size varies.
SpiderMan 3 - May 8
There was a lot of coverage on SpiderMan 3 at Know More Media - it was actually my idea to do this over a year ago - have some of Know More Media's authors … www.webmetricsguru.com/2007/05/spiderman_3.html - 73k - |
If you read the blog post (above) you'll get an idea of what I was thinking about in doing the post - and it seemed to work. I've had this concept for the last 18 months but had not fully tested it.
Like I said, who needs SEO when you have the power of blog network and you know what to do with it.