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	<title>Comments on: Notes from the Influencer Scorecard Summit &#8211; A long but worthwhile post to read</title>
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		<title>By: WebMetricsGuru &#187; Book Review: The Business of Influence: Reframing Marketing and PR for the Digital Age by Philip Sheldrake</title>
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		<dc:creator>WebMetricsGuru &#187; Book Review: The Business of Influence: Reframing Marketing and PR for the Digital Age by Philip Sheldrake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fact, come to think of it, it was two years ago, almost to the day, when Philip Sheldrake ran his Influencer Scorecard Summit (which I helped him with) in NYC.  At the time, it seemed as if the group who met could not agree on how to create the scorecard, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fact, come to think of it, it was two years ago, almost to the day, when Philip Sheldrake ran his Influencer Scorecard Summit (which I helped him with) in NYC.  At the time, it seemed as if the group who met could not agree on how to create the scorecard, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WebMetricsGuru &#187; The Business of Influence &#8211; Philip Sheldrake</title>
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		<dc:creator>WebMetricsGuru &#187; The Business of Influence &#8211; Philip Sheldrake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2011 14:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Philip Sheldrake&#8217;s book The Business of Influence is about to be published and I&#8217;m looking forward to reading it.   In December 2009 I worked with Philip on the Influence Scorecard in New York (we had a select 2 day gathering to discuss what was possible and needed with Influence Scorecarding). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Philip Sheldrake&#8217;s book The Business of Influence is about to be published and I&#8217;m looking forward to reading it.   In December 2009 I worked with Philip on the Influence Scorecard in New York (we had a select 2 day gathering to discuss what was possible and needed with Influence Scorecarding). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WebMetricsGuru &#187; CIPR: I&#8217;m an advisory member of the Charted Institute of Public Relations &#8211; CIPR social media measurement group</title>
		<link>http://www.webmetricsguru.com/archives/2009/12/notes-from-the-influencer-scorecard-summit-a-long-but-worthwhile-post-to-read/comment-page-1/#comment-4610</link>
		<dc:creator>WebMetricsGuru &#187; CIPR: I&#8217;m an advisory member of the Charted Institute of Public Relations &#8211; CIPR social media measurement group</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 12:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It seems to me the Social Media Measurement Panel will be the vehicle to continue the conversations we started last December in the Influence Scorecard Summit &#8211; see this link &#8211; and my notes from the Influencer Scorecard Summit. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It seems to me the Social Media Measurement Panel will be the vehicle to continue the conversations we started last December in the Influence Scorecard Summit &#8211; see this link &#8211; and my notes from the Influencer Scorecard Summit. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ITS Updates</title>
		<link>http://www.webmetricsguru.com/archives/2009/12/notes-from-the-influencer-scorecard-summit-a-long-but-worthwhile-post-to-read/comment-page-1/#comment-3759</link>
		<dc:creator>ITS Updates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few weeks ago Philip Sheldrake held the first Influencer Scorecard Summit here in NYC -I was part of it and now it’s beginning to sink in what that’s really all about (more than [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] few weeks ago Philip Sheldrake held the first Influencer Scorecard Summit here in NYC -I was part of it and now it’s beginning to sink in what that’s really all about (more than [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WebMetricsGuru &#187; 7 Social Media and Web Analytics PREDICTIONS for 2010 from WebMetricsGuru</title>
		<link>http://www.webmetricsguru.com/archives/2009/12/notes-from-the-influencer-scorecard-summit-a-long-but-worthwhile-post-to-read/comment-page-1/#comment-3756</link>
		<dc:creator>WebMetricsGuru &#187; 7 Social Media and Web Analytics PREDICTIONS for 2010 from WebMetricsGuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few weeks ago Philip Sheldrake held the first Influencer Scorecard Summit here in NYC -I was part of it and now it&#8217;s beginning to sink in what that&#8217;s really all about (more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] few weeks ago Philip Sheldrake held the first Influencer Scorecard Summit here in NYC -I was part of it and now it&#8217;s beginning to sink in what that&#8217;s really all about (more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WebMetricsGuru &#187; Influencer Scorecard, The Chief Influencer Officer &#38; the transumutation Social Media and PR</title>
		<link>http://www.webmetricsguru.com/archives/2009/12/notes-from-the-influencer-scorecard-summit-a-long-but-worthwhile-post-to-read/comment-page-1/#comment-3749</link>
		<dc:creator>WebMetricsGuru &#187; Influencer Scorecard, The Chief Influencer Officer &#38; the transumutation Social Media and PR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from the Influencer Scorecard Summit &#8211; two weeks ago appeared from K. D. Paine&#8217;s  Notes from the Influence Scorecard Summit and Philip Sheldrake [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from the Influencer Scorecard Summit &#8211; two weeks ago appeared from K. D. Paine&#8217;s  Notes from the Influence Scorecard Summit and Philip Sheldrake [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mia Amato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mia Amato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff. Thanks for sharing this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff. Thanks for sharing this!</p>
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		<title>By: Aseem Patel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aseem Patel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent food for thought + I like the practical thought process here. We need the practical aspect of applying the tenants of &quot;engagement &amp; influencers&quot; to visitors/people/traffic.  I can see these concepts applied to ones own sites – not only to Social Media sites (though imo, just having a public site is a form of social media communication).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent food for thought + I like the practical thought process here. We need the practical aspect of applying the tenants of &#8220;engagement &amp; influencers&#8221; to visitors/people/traffic.  I can see these concepts applied to ones own sites – not only to Social Media sites (though imo, just having a public site is a form of social media communication).</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Webster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Webster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Advertising Research Foundation (thearf.org) has done/published a fair amount on Engagement---first from their work to provide metrics for experiential marketing (which isn&#039;t light years away from social media marketing) but applicable to other channels as well. Might be worth a look and/or a chat with their research director to look through that body of work--some if it is quite good, and I suspect much of it will work for social media engagement metrics. The ARF&#039;s original definition of &quot;engagement&quot; was &quot;turning on a prospect to a brand idea enhanced by the surrounding context.&quot; That has morphed a bit, but that &quot;surrounding context&quot; bit is the business end of the stick as far as SM is concerned. You are right to note, however, that just because you &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; come  up with a formula for engagement doesn&#039;t mean you &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; Thanks for a great read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Advertising Research Foundation (thearf.org) has done/published a fair amount on Engagement&#8212;first from their work to provide metrics for experiential marketing (which isn&#8217;t light years away from social media marketing) but applicable to other channels as well. Might be worth a look and/or a chat with their research director to look through that body of work&#8211;some if it is quite good, and I suspect much of it will work for social media engagement metrics. The ARF&#8217;s original definition of &#8220;engagement&#8221; was &#8220;turning on a prospect to a brand idea enhanced by the surrounding context.&#8221; That has morphed a bit, but that &#8220;surrounding context&#8221; bit is the business end of the stick as far as SM is concerned. You are right to note, however, that just because you <em>could</em> come  up with a formula for engagement doesn&#8217;t mean you <em>should</em> Thanks for a great read.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Swain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Swain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marshall,

Thanks for this overview.  Looks like a product first meeting trying to inject some rigor in a notoriously nebulous area.  I enjoyed our discussion around these and other issues in London recently.

One thing, however. Why include ROI in your list of things to be defined (I realise you didn&#039;t attempt it this time)?  I understand trying to nail down contextual definitions for the other terms; they are &quot;language&quot; which can have different connotations for different people.  But, ROI is a defined term; it is a financial equation.  Does this not mean we have a definition already?  

Or is the summit going to attempt to define a way to calculate financial values on non-financial transactions like clicks, eyeballs, mentions, etc?  I always think that any attempt to assign financial value to anything other than real dollars (pounds, euros, etc) is inherently problematic.

I&#039;m looking forward to the ongoing efforts of the summit.  If you are bringing it to London, let me know.

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marshall,</p>
<p>Thanks for this overview.  Looks like a product first meeting trying to inject some rigor in a notoriously nebulous area.  I enjoyed our discussion around these and other issues in London recently.</p>
<p>One thing, however. Why include ROI in your list of things to be defined (I realise you didn&#8217;t attempt it this time)?  I understand trying to nail down contextual definitions for the other terms; they are &#8220;language&#8221; which can have different connotations for different people.  But, ROI is a defined term; it is a financial equation.  Does this not mean we have a definition already?  </p>
<p>Or is the summit going to attempt to define a way to calculate financial values on non-financial transactions like clicks, eyeballs, mentions, etc?  I always think that any attempt to assign financial value to anything other than real dollars (pounds, euros, etc) is inherently problematic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to the ongoing efforts of the summit.  If you are bringing it to London, let me know.</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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