Seo Thoughts from Marketing Pilgrim

Posted by Marshall on August 15, 2007 | Link It

Seo Thoughts from Greg Howlett of Marketing Pilgrim has some comforting thoughts that support my own approach to SEO/SEM.  in More on SEO Howlett says that most of what people think of as "SEO" has become ineffective.

"…4) In the past, you could quickly throw up microsites and easily get rankings. That is changing rapidly. I believe that you will have better success by limiting the sites in your portfolio so that you are not spreading your SEO resources too thin. In the future, I expect that the resources needed to get good rankings will continue to grow and this belief will become even more true.

5) The time needed to implement a solid SEO strategy is growing. You might need to plan on years before recouping your investment in many industries. As mentioned before, if you can use crash and burn tactics on throw-away sites to get quick cashflow, go for it.

I found it does take a while to do SEO but for blogs the process is much faster - but those for whom are already popular with many backlinks can have, more or less, instant SEO.

In an earlier article the day before titled 8 Tips for Avoiding an SEO Fraudster Greg Howlett says that 90% of the SEO industry is "either incompetent or crooked".  That sounds extreme but I'd say the value proposition for doing SEO is sorta flawed in the first place, since we're playing a guessing game with Search Engines on what they consider to be important and how the ranking factors are applied:

"…The SEO industry is full of consultants that are either incompetent or crooked. How many? I would guess well over 90%. As a result, there is an unbelievable amount of noise in the industry that makes it almost impossible to actually get to the truth. If you want to hire an SEO consultant or contract out your SEO, I feel for you. We as a rule do not do that, so I really cannot make any good recommendations. We have hired for short periods of time some of the top names in the industry, but have in general, been disappointed."

First, you have the Search Engines that don't really want you to do SEO in the first place…why?  Because it makes more work for them!  They want good content to bubble up to the top of the search results naturally, without people trying to manipulate it …. but because everyone who does SEO wants to be on Top of the Search Results…. it means they have to keep changing the Alogrhytm around in a game of musical chairs every couple of months - to keep everyone confused.    To a Search Engine, the Alogrhytm is like their "Secret Formula for Coca Cola"…..the Algorithm is what makes the search engine really stand out.  So the last thing Google wants you is for you or I to figure out what their ranking criteria is …… because then they have to put a lot of work into re-ordering the rankings and that puts them at risk that one of the re-orderings will be of less quality then the previous ones… which is kinda what's been happening.

On the other hand, you can argue that good SEO people, including Black Hats, are what keep Google, in particular, on their toes - inspiring them to get better and better - so they can outwit even the smartest Black Hat…and it's a never ending war.

Given that … who does Greg Howlett think could do SEO properly - the same group that give the presentations at SES …and that's it?  That's probably true …and you'll spend a load of money on them and now …. spend a year or two before you can really qualify your investment with returns you could not have had.

So, from my point of view, without even trying …everyone who does SEO, including me…is already almost guaranteed to fall into the "incompetent" category…since there's no way I can know more than a subset of any of the ranking factors that any of the search engines are going to be using and swapping out at any single time ……… and that's just the way the Search Engines want it.

Personally, I don't really want to do SEO anymore (I like the blogging approach much better and it's also much faster) ….. "regular seo" is not fun and clients who want to have it done for their sites expect results in a couple of months…results that Greg Howlett says are next to impossible to get……..and I agree.

Here's what I think he meant……. 90% of the SEO consultants out there, in his opinion, don't do the "due diligence" part and cover the basics in a consistent way ..therefore, in that sense, they probably are incompetent.

But my feeling …… people aren't doing the basics because it the back of our minds ….we know they are pretty much irrelevant.

What works, that I've found, is good content and a site that is SEO Accessible - (ie: get rid of Flash, stuff like that) - and that's what I do with people - try to figure what they should be doing …… but I don't pretend to have all the answers and I don't think anyone that does.

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08/16/07 @ 12:59 am

Hi! “To a Search Engine, the Alogrhytm is like their “Secret Formula for Coca Cola” Hehe, yes, but i wonder i we ever get to see that. I do have to point out that spelling error: Algorithm :)

I thought that this article was good reading. Keep it up! Soon you can try my free SEO-tool i am making to share with anyone that need a useful tool, here: http://www.googlertools.com Thanks for your article!

Best regards from Anders in Sweden



08/16/07 @ 7:05 am

Good article. Here is a little clarification about my comment that over 90% of the SEO “experts” are incompetent or crooked.

I firmly believe as I have already said that the best SEO experts are applying their principles rather than selling them. There has been an unbelievable amount of money made by people that you will never hear about that understand SEO and have applied their knowledge to their own sites.

There are a few real experts that may be selling their knowledge, but they are ridiculously outnumbered by “experts” who preach meta tag optimization, black hat techniquest, and all kinds of ineffective nonsense.

Really, I think this concept is true in practically any industry full of consultants and unfortunately even industries without consultants. If you use many lawyers, you may think like me that the 90% incompetent level is actually low, and don’t even get me started on plumbers:)



08/18/07 @ 1:53 pm

Do somebody knows a us-seo how works for europe too? We search for an interesting partner in usa. please give feedback to us. greetings



11/03/07 @ 1:14 pm

Good article. Here is a little clarification about my comment that over 90% of the SEO “experts” are incompetent or crooked.



11/03/07 @ 1:16 pm

Good article. Here is a little clarification about my comment that over 100% of the SEO “experts” are incompetent or crooked.



11/04/07 @ 5:12 am

thats true. worst thing is that the incompetent ones have the most powerful sales teams…



11/11/07 @ 5:29 pm

Thank you for this article, it is not common to find such interesting stuff on the net



11/13/07 @ 2:31 pm

Thanks for sharing this information.



11/19/07 @ 7:42 am

Good article. Thanks



11/24/07 @ 6:34 am

It’s very good article. Great site with very good look and perfect information.



12/09/07 @ 5:57 am

“…The SEO industry is full of consultants that are either incompetent or crooked. How many? I would guess well over 90%

I would say 50/50



12/27/07 @ 8:28 am

Good article. Here is a little clarification about my comment that over 100% of the SEO “experts” are incompetent or crooked.
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01/04/08 @ 9:38 am

There has been an unbelievable amount of money made by people that you will never hear about that understand SEO and have applied their knowledge to their own sites.



01/05/08 @ 6:43 am

thank you



01/05/08 @ 1:25 pm

Thanks for sharing your feedback! If your feedback doesn’t appear right away, please be patient as it may take a few minutes to publish - or longer if the blogger is moderating comments



01/05/08 @ 3:08 pm

Hopefully the new crawler will be better. But when I am applying online for a checking account online from US Bank. It tells me to mail in a check made out to me that will be used as a opening deposit. It says to include a signature card. What is that, do I just sign the back of the check and send it or do I need something else?



01/06/08 @ 3:14 am

I agree this article is very helpful. I have been reading about how to improve mt article writing, but it would be nice if I actually had some visitors which left some input. I think that could help me to improve my blog..



01/06/08 @ 12:00 pm

nice article,very useful for me,thanks



01/06/08 @ 12:01 pm

good job friend,thanks.



01/07/08 @ 7:29 am

Hopefully the new crawler will be better. But when I am applying online for a checking account online from US Bank. It tells me to mail in a check made out to me that will be used as a opening deposit. It says to include a signature card. What is that



01/10/08 @ 4:07 pm

The SEO industry is full of consultants that are either incompetent or crooked. How many? I would guess well over 90%



01/14/08 @ 9:50 am

Hmm i wouldn’t say that 90% are incompetent it’s like in everything other, there are alway competent and incompetent persons.



01/15/08 @ 7:12 am

It’s very good article. Great site with very good look and perfect information.



01/21/08 @ 1:11 pm

Thanks for help, Keep up the good work.



02/02/08 @ 11:02 am

thanks



02/09/08 @ 8:26 pm

I think alot of these guys can do the job. They just allow to much to be placed on there plate. This is due to the amount they charge for the services. They need to keep a certain amount of clients to pay the bills.



02/11/08 @ 2:54 pm

Thanks for help, Keep up the good work.



02/12/08 @ 6:31 pm

It’s very good article. Great site with very good look and perfect information.Again Thanks you



02/16/08 @ 7:30 pm

Good article. Here is a little clarification about my comment that over 100% of the SEO “experts” are incompetent or crooked.



02/17/08 @ 7:39 am

thanks admin very nice



02/18/08 @ 1:35 pm

Good article. Thanks



02/21/08 @ 2:32 am

I agree this article is very helpful. I have been reading about how to improve mt article writing, but it would be nice if I actually had some visitors which left some input. I think that could help me to improve my blog..



02/21/08 @ 7:36 am

thanks…



03/04/08 @ 2:24 pm

Good article. Here is a little clarification about my comment that over 100% of the SEO “experts” are incompetent or crooked



03/04/08 @ 2:24 pm

Thanks for sharing this information.



03/04/08 @ 3:33 pm

I think that with more and more websites competing for the same space, spreading out your SEO on multiple sites will just become more and more difficult in the future.



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03/06/08 @ 2:09 am

Thank you for this article, it is not common to find such interesting stuff on the net



03/13/08 @ 6:26 pm

It’s very good article. Great site with very good look and perfect information.Again Thanks you



04/18/08 @ 10:32 pm

thanks you



04/19/08 @ 7:59 am

Thank you



04/28/08 @ 1:30 pm

thanks you…..



04/29/08 @ 1:01 am

thanks



05/04/08 @ 1:35 pm

Great written article, thanks for that and best regards from Germany.



05/22/08 @ 4:35 am

thanks for menn..



05/23/08 @ 1:32 pm

Great and excellent article it’s realy helpful. Thanks again.



06/14/08 @ 1:06 pm

Thank you wermac



06/14/08 @ 3:32 pm

thanks a lot



06/28/08 @ 8:04 am

thanks
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07/10/08 @ 3:48 pm

Ty bro



08/30/08 @ 12:29 pm

That´s a great article. Thx for taking the time to write this.



09/29/08 @ 2:47 pm

I’m sure some people are reading this and thinking to themselves maynet “of course this is what Scott is going to say, that’s his job.” Well, think what you want, but I was writing about how to take an agile approach several years before joining IBM. In fact, I believe that I’m the first to do so, writing about it in print in my Software Development column back in 2001 and more importantly in my book Agile Modeling: Effective Practices for XP and UP in 2002. And, if you go poking around the web a bit, sohpet you’ll see a lot other have written about this too, including Craig Larman, Ivar Jacobson, Bob Martin, Gary Evans, Doug Rosenberg and many more.



10/26/08 @ 10:27 am

The biggest problem is, that most of the customers don’t know, how to find a really serious and competent seo company. They choose the one, which spends the most money in CPC Ads or which has the most professional sales team…



11/19/08 @ 9:01 am

It´s becomming really to complicated to find a good seo. They all want too much money and at the end nothing happens!



11/29/08 @ 8:54 am

The biggest problem is, that most of the customers don’t know, how to find a really serious and competent seo company. They choose the one, which spends the most money in CPC Ads or which has the most professional sales team…



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